Мартин Ангелов | градски блог

"Славейков" площад или пазар?

От 10.11.2008

Много се изговори по темата дали да се махне пазара за книги на площад “Славейков” и типично по български се образуваха две твърди ядра, едното твърдо против, а другото с радост би изринало пазара. Ние няма да вземем страна, ще се опитаме да обобщим нещата, да изследваме ситуацията и да предложим компромисни решения, подхождащи за една съвременна столица. Повече от очевидно е, че там трябва нещо да се промени, да се случи нещо модерно, изцяло ориентирано към гражданите, а не към печалбата. Разработихме два компромисни сценария. В единия пазара да се премести в близост до сегашното му място, а във втория пазара да остане на същото място, да се редуцира наполовина и да се вкарва в нова кожа, правила и структура. Преди това ще е от полза да се разясни сегашната ситуация на площада и как е изглеждал той в миналото. Ето малко снимки:
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Архивна снимка от stara-sofia.com
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Разглеждаме две обществени зони, като едната може да помогне на другата. Издълженото поле е пазарът “Славейков”, а другото градинката при улица “Солунска” нуждаеща се от нов живот.
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Общ план от вътрешната страна на сергиите, паркирали коли и други препятствия създават градската среда. Сергиите стесняват максимално пространството, като по този начин се губи понятието “площад”. Днес като снимах си дадох сметка колко е огромен пазарът и как търговията е завзела с времето всяко свободно място.
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Така любимите ни кашони от банани, дават своя принос към ориенталската визия.
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Човешкият фактор.
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Почти никога не съм виждал седнал човек на тези пейки, превърнали се в развалини.
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Пак банани и найлон! Просто сме свикнали с тях.
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Има проблем, закриваш го и вече няма проблем 🙂
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Първо предложение:
Пазарът се премества в близката градинка на улица “Солунска”, като се образуват две редици сергии от страната на улицата, които рамкират градинката. Там в момента има подобна търговия. Какво печелим? Промятата за търговците не е толкова драстична. Те запазват възможностите си за складиране в близост, градинката се възобновява и оживява. По този начин “Славейков” се превръща в площад, ценно пространство за обществен живот, нещо което толкова ни липсва в София (оживено и уютно пространство). Формулата е следната: хубава настилка и хубави пейки, нищо повече.
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Съществуващата търговия при градинката.
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В момента градинката има нужда от цялостен ремонт, слабо е посещавана и се е превърнала в свърталище на бездомници, както не малко градинки в София.
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Много хора парадират, че търговията при “Славейков” се е появила спонтанно, ето тази снимка показва подобна спонтанност в близост. За търговията празно пространство няма.
Второ предложение:
Пазарът се редуцира на половина и се преструктурира. Факт е, че книгите се повтарят на всяка втора сергия, както и много съвременни издания се намират във всички книжарници. Ако се поставят огроничения за продаваната литература ще спечелят и самите граждани. Примарно, може да се превърне в пазар за редки книги и стари издания, което ще съкрати обема му. Трябва да добие нова визия, без кашони от банани, мръсотия, стари сергии и намръщени продавачи. Традициите са чудесно нещо и трябва да се съхраняват, когато са в полза на всички. По този начин ще се възвърне романтиката на пазара и човешкото отношение. Останалата част от площада ще се освободи и средата ще се промени коренно.
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Какво не трябва да се прави:
Ако се махнат сергиите, на мястото им в никакъв случай не трябва да се строи каквото и да било, дори спряганите будки за билети. София има нужда от обществено пространство, не от паразити. Хората обаче са загубили всякакво доверие в промените и е ясно защо. Не трябва да се страхуваме от новото, но трябва да сме факторът, който го контролира.
/Други мнения и дискусии за площад “Славейков” от блога на Делян Делчев тук/
/Коментари от вестник “Капитал” тук/

  1. Напълно, ама НАПЪЛНО съм съгласен с всичко!

  2. in2h20 | 20.10.2008 | 2

    Хората които четат книги
    а/ ще продължат да четат и купуват книги
    б/имат достъп до интернет
    в/на някакво ниво са естети
    г/харесват честни покупки
    ..
    малко икономика
    когато Безос започва абркадабра (първото име на Амазон, откачено нали)
    очакваният ръст е 8000%. Няма грешка. Годината е 1993.

    Аз нужда от middle man нямам.
    От повече библиотеки – да.
    Тва грозното нещо на снимките ми развали настроението.
    Да се махне.
    всичко в интернет
    Ура !
    мултимедиен дизайнер

  3. Христо | 20.10.2008 | 3

    Отдавна не пазарувам от тоя пазар. Поне откакто в близост има няколко уютни книжарници, в които има всичко, отоплени са, продавачките са учтиви, можеш с часове да разглеждаш. Как да не си оставиш парите в такава книжарница… Пазара “Славейков” за мен умря.

  4. dim | 20.10.2008 | 4

    а бездомниците къде ще ги свъртим?

  5. turin | 20.10.2008 | 5

    И аз съм съгласен и ми харесва как въпреки всичко успявате да покажете примирие на позициите. Аз навремето в последните класове съм работил на този “книжен пазар”. Точно когато се “самозараждаше” и имам представа от структурата му. Няма да се дадат, защото има много пари вътре. Навремето имаше много пари от продажби на книги и чужди списания, днес предполагам бумът е около учебниците, музиката и игрите.
    Все едно, исках да кажа, че много се радвам на нагласата за баланс в средата, която давате в проектите и идеите си. Като в същото време напомняте, че градът съществува на първо място заради хората, които хивеят в него, а не заради магазините, сергиите, бензиностанциите и моловете. Както казват, keep up the good work 😉

  6. Jogy | 20.10.2008 | 6

    А не е ли най-просто градинката на “Солунска” да се ремонтира, освежи и превърне в “ценно пространство за обществен живот, нещо което толкова ни липсва в София (оживено и уютно пространство)”. “Формулата е следната: хубава настилка и хубави пейки, нищо повече”

  7. Милен Мечкуев | 20.10.2008 | 7

    Това също е вариант, но мисля че трябва малко повече да се отдаде приоритет на гражданите. По-ценното и комуникативно място е площад “Славейков” – и точно затова там е “общественото място”. Това е и причината пазара да се зароди – защото хората искат да са там 🙂

  8. Мартин Ангелов | 20.10.2008 | 8

    Jogy така е, тези два варианта са съвсем компромисни, за да се доволни всички. Ако зависеше от мен бих махнал търговията и от двете места, въпреки всичко аз съм склонен да подкрепя втория вариант, в който се оставя едно китно, малко и романтично пазарче в единия край със съвсем друг характер от сегашната цигания. Имаше един коментар из интернет на човек, който предлагаше да се направи периодичен пазар веднъж в седмицата примерно, което би било чудесна трета възможност:
    “…Колкото до уличната търговия на книги и прашки,това може да става един ден седмично на определени места в София и страната.Сутрин се строят набързо сглобяеми павилиони или навеси и хората предлагат стоката си.Така се прави в зап.европа и не е никак лошо.Там срещаме познати,пазарим си,пием си след това кафето и в ранния следобяд всичко е чисто и свободно до следващата събота,например.Търговците са мобилни и обикалят из цялата страна, за да предлагат стоката си.”
    Понякога се изумявам от страха на хората за промяна, явно много сме се напатили.

  9. Владимир Йорданов | 20.10.2008 | 9

    В София има едно ужасно място- Женския пазар. Това е един от най- големите тумори на града. Всички търговци там са лъжци. Някои уж са производители ама стоката им турска. Закон е да се продава на по ниски цени и да се удря в кантара. Ако се разправяш най- много да си изкараш боя. Най- големите утрепки от цяла българия, цигани, турци, джебчиики, мръсотия, смрад, ужасно “обслужване”. Не мисля, че София има нужда и от подобно нещо. Плодове и зеленчуци- от всеки супермаркет и квартално пазарче. Там поне е по чисто и хората са по любезни.
    Подкрепям преместването на книжния пазар от пл. “Славейков” в градинката на Солунска или на друго по скатано място от подобни съображения. Мисля, че София е все пак европейска столица а не е в ориента.

  10. Jogy | 20.10.2008 | 10

    Прав си Мартине, малко сме загубили вяра в способностите на общината да направи някое място уютно и приятно за хората … та затова предлагам да се опитат да ни върнат доверието, като първо оправят градинката – там май няма спорове “за и против”, няма кой да се противопоставя …

  11. a | 20.10.2008 | 11

    Я сега да си припомните какво стана в Димитроград 🙂
    who the fuck is Диков? 🙂 Като се знае, кой стои в зародиша на идеята да се премахне пазара, веднага може да се сетим, че явно става въпрос за някакви съвсем странични интереси на някакви мили хора. Ще последва копирано решение от площад във Виена, Мюнхен, Прага и ще стане още по-зле.
    Вашите решения изглежда, че ще работят, но пренебрегвате социалния фактор. 🙂
    Успех!

  12. Мартин Ангелов | 20.10.2008 | 12

    Да това е истината за “Женския пазар”, аз исках да направя дипломна работа на тази тема, но от катедрата не ми разрешиха 🙂 Въпреки всичко мисля скоро да направя нещо по въпроса 🙂 Като начало едно проучване

  13. пламен | 20.10.2008 | 13

    Вариант 3: сергиите с книги са излишни, но мястото е подходящо за разполагане на пазар в един друг вариант. Разбира се, ремонтирането на фонтана и пейките са наложителни, както и разширяването на зелените и свободни площи на площада. Част от него пък може да се ползва за пазар на антиварни книги, сувенири и произведения на ръчен труд за 2 или максимум 3 дни през седмицата.

  14. И.Е. Станков | 20.10.2008 | 14

    Харесват ми тия преложения.
    Лошото е, че промените искат да се правят от користин итереси.

  15. Creator | 20.10.2008 | 15

    Силно гласувам за втория вариант.Все пак книжния пазар не е лошо нещо/както видяхме освен в БГ де/,а и е оставил някакъв културно-исторически отпечатък върху града- но категорично НЕ в сегашния си вид.Иначе според мен на площада на Солунска също трябва да изчезнат сергийте и общината да разреши да се направят 1-2 хубави кафенета с маси на самия площад.

  16. a | 20.10.2008 | 16

    Владимир Йорданов,
    няма да се спра на милите думи, с които си се обосновал, но ако беше толкова елитарен колкото се опитваш да се изкараш чрез унижаване на хора, щеше сам да се сетиш, че като обем “книжарниците” няма как да се напъхат в градинката. В много градове в Европа, където сте бил предполагам, четейки аристократичния Ви стил на изразяване, точно такива пазарчета има, и наистина е претъпкано. Много хора намират това за нещо позитивно – има зеленчуци, плодове, цветя, има стари вещи. Ако го няма пазара, мястото просто е празно и пусто.
    По принцип е адки лоша идея според мен, да разрушиш нещо, което работи. Пък и явно тези хора имат нужда от пари, за да висят там всеки ден. Като изпреварим Сомалия и Албания като държава, всички ще пазаруваме в скъпи бутуци, кауфланд и книжарници, но дотогава е хубаво да излезете навън и да видите реалността, и то не само вашата.
    Защо вместо това не се почисти градинката и да има места за младежи или майки с деца?
    София като цяло е ужасна, така че не се извинявайте с Женския пазар. 🙂

  17. Мартин Ангелов | 20.10.2008 | 17

    Не става въпрос колко хубаво нещо са пазарите и колко живот внасят в един град, това несъмнено е така, става въпрос за качеството на средата и възможните компромиси за подобряването й, водим конструктивен диалог нали 🙂

  18. Марин | 20.10.2008 | 18

    Чудесно изследване на ситуацията и интересни предложения!
    Снимайте какво е положението вечер. След како публикувате снимката повечето мнения вероятно ще станат за премахване на така наречения “книжен пазар”.
    За да не стане каквото си е намислил арх. Диков трябва гражданска активност.

  19. Tosh | 20.10.2008 | 19

    Според мен прекалено много се забивате в съществуващите пазари. Сякаш това е единствения пазар в София. Според мен “силната” икономическа ситуация на София и България не зависят по никакъв начин от пазара на Славейков.
    По-добре насочете умствения си потенциал върху решаването на един друг въпрос – Ако не е пазар,то какво друго би могло да бъде? Но както единия от коментарите подчерта – вземете социалния фактор в предвид.. а и икономическия такъв може би.. защото е ясно,че Площад Славейков няма да е такъв какъвто е бил на първата снимка на тази страница.. той е в подобна ситуация заради причини. От които най-видната за мен е “пари трябва да се правят”. Което не е никак лошо нещо,но лошото нещо в България е че “пари трябва да се правят” “с цената на каквото и да е”..
    Трябва да се предложи да се смени Идеята на Площада в сегашната му ситуация, а не само да се размърдат някакви форми на плана на София и по този начин да мислим,че проблема е отминал. Това,че ще скриете пазара някъде другаде няма да реши проблема за жалост. Нито би могъл той да се смести на по-малко разстояние.. а ако ще се смести, то няма да е за много дълго време.
    Смяна на функцията на площада е нужна, като новата функция трябва да е подкрепена от някаква икономическо-социална причина.. формата е второстепенна.. но не и безразлична.

  20. Мартин Ангелов | 20.10.2008 | 20

    Един уъркшоп като този, който организираха Павел и Орлин, би могъл да хвърли светлина по този въпрос, колкото повече мнения толково по-добре. Тошо не съм сигурен дали смяната на функцията или усложняването й би имала резултати, базисното е да може човек да седне като бял човек да отдъхне и да погледа хората.

  21. Tosh | 21.10.2008 | 21

    Добре.. ето друго решение – може би тогава площада е освободен от пазара и другите там глупости,които са на него в момента и през 80% от времето през седмицата се ползва за белите хора,които седят,отдъхват и гледат другите хора,а 20% от времето през седмицата е използван за някакви публични събития… като например – може да се изгражда отвреме навреме дизайн подиумчета и да стават ревюта там, да е място където президента си чете речта на коледа, да е място,където се случва нещо публично и значимо,но по-реално и контекстуално от тези двете предложения тогава..
    Просто единственото,което аз искам да кажа е че времето,в което площада Славейков е бил просто площад с нищо в него освен пейки и дървета (онова хубаво и романтично изглеждащо време) е отминало.. и е отминало заради хората в София,които не протестираха като се даде тази идея за този пазар.. които не протестираха за предишните идеи.. и най-вероятно няма да протестират срещу новата и равно глупава поредна идея,която общината ще измисли,за да точи пари отнавсякъде.. (които за съжаление не отиват в това да се реставрират фасадите около Славейков примерно,а в нечия хубава вила.. примерно).
    Между впрочем, сградата,която е на ъгъла на Славейков и Раковска откъм посока Александър Невски е една от най-грозните сгради,които някога съм виждал.. изглежда като неудачен опит между един нацистки и един комунистически архитект.. Може би цялостно преображение на средата би било полезно.. да бутнат сградите,които не са в списъка за национална гордост и да се преобрази целия Славейков,а не само малкото пространство между старите порутени блокове… това е една от централните точки на града,по дяволите.. :/

  22. Милен Мечкуев | 21.10.2008 | 22

    За “бутане” на сгради не може и да се говори в България, а още повече в София, ако е инициатива на общината просто няма да се случи. За да стане, трябва да има частни интереси и това е, колкото и да не звучи романтично
    Идеята за временни изложби, пазари, и всякаки събития е много добра и вече споменахме за нея по рано, дано имаме време да я разработим. Това е един хитър “компромис” за да може да се получи нещо хубаво и смислено. Много е лесно да махмем с вълшебната пръчица и да кажем – махаме пазара – правиме оазис….. но такива мисли за безперспективни. Простата истина е, че на мястото на пазара на Славейков може да се появи нещо много по-хубаво и въпреки това да е финансово издържано

  23. Creator | 21.10.2008 | 23

    Мислейки си в “00” се сетих и за друг авриант.Полуподземна сграда /прилив на пари+книжарница/ и минаване отгоре и малък парк.Хем вълка сит,хем агнето цяло,хем бягаш от трамвайте и огромното движение.Колкото и банално да звучи нещо такова е един добър компоромис между всичко.Отделно с зайграването на нивата на сградата може да се лавира между транзитния и спокойния поток.

  24. Мартин Ангелов | 21.10.2008 | 24

    Ами мисля, че площадът е прекалено тесен за да се направи такова съоръжение, не че не може, но мисля, че ще е пресилено, иначе идеята е добра. Продължавам да си мисля, че промените трябва да са малко, но качествени, без сроителство. Прави ми впечатление, че от години нищо ново не е правено в София в зоната извън печалбата, това е срамно, много ме е ЯД!!!

  25. Петър Рашев | 22.10.2008 | 25

    Поздравления за конструктивните предложения!
    Моето мнение е тук:
    http://bulpete.wordpress.com/2008/10/22/slaveikov/

  26. Галина Георгиева | 23.10.2008 | 26

    Аз не съм от София, но категорично съм ЗА премахването на всички подобни “пазарища” из нашите градове! Наистина сме свикнали с кашоните от банани и найлоните! Ужасно е това! Бавно и неусетно загубваме чувствителността си към грозното, мръсното, просташкото и то ни поглъща постепенно като блато! Желая ви успех в каузата за възстановяването на площад “Славейков” като такъв!

  27. Мартин | 24.10.2008 | 27

    Според мен идеята с намаляването на пазара на половина и разгонването на десетките повтарящи се сергии плюс паралелното освежаване на градинката при Солунска е най-приемливо. Ще стане малко като изгонването на търговците от храма в библията, но…
    Представянето, снимките и идеите, които сте изложили са чудесни, имате редица дребни правописни недоглеждания, които ако се отсранят ще бъде чудесно.
    Успех с проектите и нека музата на креативността не напуска тези страници и дано се разходи скоро време и по Славейков.

  28. Мартин Ангелов | 24.10.2008 | 28

    Ето малко мнения и от сайта на вестник “Капитал” http://www.capital.bg/showblog.php?storyid=569846
    Поздрави!

  29. Antoaneta | 25.10.2008 | 29

    Надежда Чипева е изключителен фотограф и е успяла да придаде дори на това чисто комерсиално и бездуховно място одухотворен вид. Но на снимките й не личи, че се продават само бестселъри, без касов бон, че за минувачите няма място, че нощем е отвратително сметище. Има достатъчно книжарници, а букинистите може да продават редки книги, например при “Ал. Невски”. В София има 4 (накръст) хубави улици, защо е този напън да тънат в мръсотия, циментови колчета, сергии. Ами като на някои им е мъка за село, да се върнат там!

  30. Vasil Vasilev | 26.10.2008 | 30

    АЗ съм за ПЪЛНОТО премахване на тази “борса”. Няма спор, че мястото й не е там.
    Фактът, че в последно време се появиха няколко големи и изчерпателни откъм съдържание книжарници (Хеликон, Orange…) също накланя везните в полза на изчистването на площада.
    И да не подхващаме темата за нелегалната продажба на дискове, която се върти от край време и си е една обществена тайна.
    Писна ми от тази мизерия и НЕЧОВЕШКА обстановка, характерна за Ориента от преди години …

  31. Мартин Ангелов | 26.10.2008 | 31

    Ето как е изглеждал спорът за площада през 98-ма година http://www.capital.bg/show.php?storyid=243563 . Това е част от позицията на книгоразпространителите:
    “При реконструкцията на площад “Славейков” ще бъдe възстановен съществуващият до 1935 г. там фонтан от края на 19-и век във виенски стил, който ще заема 36 кв.м. Той се оказва и основен спорен елемент. Мнението на авторите на проекта е, че той ще възроди част от паметта на града. Несъгласни обаче с това са книгоразпространителите, които смятат, че щом фонтанът е бил съборен, значи не е бил нужен, ще заема много място. Предвиденото от общината озеленяване (засаждане на дръвчета) на площада също притеснява търговците, защото според тях врабчета и книги на едно място не могат да съществуват. Оформянето на стълбите пред Столичната библиотека като сцена за спектакли и представяне на автори е друг спорен елемент. Безсмислено е да се прави сцена за изява на млади таланти, след като такива няма, а дори и да се появят, е много шумно заради минаващите трамваи, роптаят книгоразпространителите.”
    По техните думи няма място за нищо друго освен за пазар на това място, хиени с хиени 🙂

  32. Tosh | 30.10.2008 | 32

    Az mislq,che trqbva da se napravi opit da se butnat sgradite mejdu ploshtada i gradinkata.. predstavete kakvo prekrasno mqsto bi bilo tova togava.. 🙂

  33. Мартин Ангелов | 30.10.2008 | 33

    Само така Тоше, никакви сгради 🙂

  34. Михаил Цоков | 02.11.2008 | 34

    Здравейте, аз съм предипломант в катедра конструкции. И правя проект точно по темата. Преди 2 години още ни беше дадена подобна задача по опазване на арх. насл. и тогава направих по скоро едно бегло проучване и решение което бе обвързано с оформяне на “ДОМ НА КНИГАТА”. И сега исках да задълбая пък и то взе че стана актуална тема :). До скоро не бях виждал коментарите тук,

  35. Михаил Цоков | 02.11.2008 | 35

    Та идеята тогаав беше за вкарването на книжния пазар в безистена срещу фонта. Там имаше съществуваша книжарница, която се казваше “ДОМ НА КНИГАТА”, която вече я нама де, и някои кафета. Като цяло функцията беше организирана около идеята за книгата-продажба на книги,кафета от типа в които сядаш и докато пиеш нещо четеш, малка зала за презентации на книги и видно място на което се вижда как се е правила една книга,(по скоро като атракция).Всички дребни и мизерни построики ги разчиствах и ги организирах по нов начин и превръщах безистена в това което означава думата безистен – покрит базар.Това беше това което направих тогава. Но безистена за съжаление е вътре зад сградите няма как да оформиш достатъчно издържан вход за да влезеш в него без да побутнеш някоя сграда или поне да се опиташ да я истърбушиш до възможния предел. В тази връзка пространството без сгради е наистина просторно и съм го виждал как изглежда, туй като докато в 3-ти курс проучвах мястото ходих по домовете на живущите да ги разпитвам какво е било там и едно бабе ми извади уникална снимка,която я няма в интернет,но и която аз за съжаелиние не се сетих да снимам – та на нея ги нямаше сградите това е било преди 193.. и някоя година, но днес това по скоро няма да стане, даже ако споменете на някой малко по възрастен колега, който е по законово обременен за бутане на сгради може и да ви набие даже…хахха:) Така че този път си мислех за идеята която по нагоре в коментарите е споменавана , и по скоро книгите да отидат отдолу под площада, това разбира се не е най-реалистичното нещо, но определено е според мен доста смислена идея. Това което ми е проблем обаче е, че не мога да постигна това търсено от нас попринцип при подобно разполагане на една сграда под земата влизане при което да не се усещаш че влизаш под земята като в някоя дупка, тъй като мястото е много тясно. Така че приемам предложения и мнения като цяло за идеята. Попринцип и паркинг се предвижда на още по долно ниво, и другия проблем е дали пазя съществуващите дървета и отивам по дълбоко за да остане пласта земя необходим за да останат там. А колкото до коментара за това, че било жалко, че всичко се прави за пари – ами извинявайте, но от както се е развил разума на човека, а това е било доста отдавна 🙂 нещата се правят заради нечии интереси и за пари това е общоизвстна тайна, проблема е че вече би трябвало да сме достатъчно еволюирали за да имаме гражданска отговорност, което би означавало за този който инвестира,че като инвестира в средата около себе си то ще му се върне като инвестиция рано или късно, не става дума за добри намерения към хората, в които е абсурдно да вярваме, че ще убедим който и да е инвеститор (особенно български), а по скоро да му се покаже, че правейки нещо полезно си осигурява добра инвестиция. Според мен това е начина, да убедим някой да направи нещо което ние разбира се знаем, че е полезно и за хората, но да отидем директно при някой с мото искаме да направим нещо за хората ми се вижда несериозно и мноооооого наивно в света в който живеем!.

  36. Мартин Ангелов | 02.11.2008 | 36

    Мишо, хубаво е, че се занимаваш с такава проблематика и дано постигнеш нещо хубаво. С някои от твърденията ти обаче не съм съгласен. Това е едно пространство 2 квадратни метра, на общината, не е частен имот, не са ни нужни инвестиционни намерения да гоним инвеститори и други подобни героизми. Добре знаеш, че във всяко музикално произведение паузата е дори по важна от тона. Точно от това имаме нужда от пауза, а не от инвестиционни намерения. В България хората ги е обхванала параноя за догонване на “Запада”, думи като бизнес, печалба, далавера, растеж са навсякъде, всеки гледа да стане милионер, затова не можеш да вървиш из София, защото на всеки метър се спъваш в сергии и в бизнес. Аз чисто като човек, предпочитам празно пространство, глътка въздух. Така че те съветвам да работиш в тази насока, с минимум средства да се постигне нещо хубаво, не ни трябват инвеститори, аз плащам достатъчно данъци, че общината да се погрижи сама за едно толкова малко пространство. Успех!
    Ако направиш нещо хубаво може да го прикачим към темата.

  37. Михаил Цоков | 03.11.2008 | 37

    Принципно съм напълно съгласен с теб, не бих могъл по добре да се изразя, но някакси не съм сигурен, че общината разбира от музика, от тон, от пауза и т.н., а дори и да разбира по скоро я ползва като музикален фон, на който всеки си прави каквото му изнася, затова и размишленията ми по проекта са насочени в насоката посочена в предния коментар, пък ше видим какво ще се получи. И още нещо – НАДЯВАМ СЕ ДА НЕ СЪМ ПРАВ ЗА ТОВА КОЕТО КАЗАХ,(ЗАЩОТО ОПРЕДЕЛЕНО ЗВУЧИ ПЕСИМИСТИЧНО) И В КРАЙНА СМЕТКА ДА СЕ ЧУЯТ ПЕРФЕКТНИТЕ ДУМИ, КОИТО КАЗА ТИ.Не ме разбирай погрешно, уважавам трезвомислещите хора, добре направения анализ, логичния извод и правилното решение, но все пак ходим по земата, която е твърда – като паднеш боли, когато истине те сковава от студ, а когато е гореща те пари, неща с които щем нещем се съобразяваме.Можем да напрвим много за да променим нещата в положителна посока, но ….

  38. Мартин Ангелов | 03.11.2008 | 38

    Именно, това е най-трудното да се насочат нещата в правилна и трезва посока, правилна за максимален брой хора 🙂 Поздрави

  39. Мартин Ангелов | 03.11.2008 | 39

    Ето една обнадеждаваща информация http://www.stroitelstvo.info/show.php?storyid=575450

  40. dzver | 04.11.2008 | 40

    Градинката на Св. Седмочисленици и градинката пред Народния театър са горе-долу добре поддържани и винаги препълнени. Липсват достатъчно не-счупени пейки и може би уличните кучета и просяците са повече от поносимото.
    Пл. Славейков не е достатъчно слънчев, за да стане място за почивка. Ако искат да подобрят градската среда, може да помислят по въпроса с “Пазари Теменуга” и да направят нещо тази измекярска структура да почне да работи по-нормално. Хората на Славейков плащат достатъчно високи наеми, за да имат модерни сергии, по-малко нагъчкани и с брандирани кашони за книги, не такива от банани.

  41. Милен Мечкуев | 05.11.2008 | 41

    http://www.stroitelstvo.bg/news.php?m=details&id=23058
    Там сме !

  42. Мартин Ангелов | 26.11.2008 | 42

    http://www.stroitelstvo.info/show.php?storyid=587921 резултатът от срещата на 18-ти.
    Вижте хората какво планират по света, а нас ни е страх да махнем 5 сергии за да получим площад 🙂

    просто за вдъхновение 🙂

  43. mohamed | 23.12.2008 | 43

    господа и дами,
    администрацията обожава такива форуми. после написват в някой вестник че ‘след обширно обществено обсъждане…’ и правят каквото им пълни дюшеците.
    Главния Архитект може да изфабрикува всякакви предпоставки и да даде на арх. Константинов да шлякне Фонтан и сергийки като награда за друго съвместно безчинство с държавна собственост.
    Главния архитект е фигура, която притежава власт да опорочи всичко до което се докосне. Оставени сме да разчитаме на неговата честност. Това не е редно.
    Бившия – Янев се опитват безуспешно да го съдят за почти всичко. Сегашния – Диков вече е заподозрян в конфликт на интереси. Време е вече да се премахне длъжността Цар Архитект от Общините. Това, което закона изисква от него може да се изпълнява от технолози. Такова чудовище няма никъде!
    Архитектът трябва първо да е гражданин. без това няма смисъл да се опъвате в предложения.

  44. mohamed | 23.12.2008 | 44

    ааа! за малко да забравя! Същия фонтан е инсталиран и в друга градинка на 5те кьошета срещу малоумната сграда на Военното министерство.
    ако някой е виждал същия поставен на 3то място нека ми каже. документирам ги та да може след 100 години някой гений да поеме борбата да ги въстанови както са си били. 🙂

  45. Мартин Ангелов | 23.12.2008 | 45

    “без това няма смисъл да се опъвате в предложения” – много песимизъм и обезверяване долавям mohamed, не искам това да е националната ни черта, защото реално е! Свръхскептицизъм, когато някой изяви желание за нещо ново винаги ще се намерят солиден брой хора “реалисти” да ти кажат, че нищо не може да се промени. Е не благодаря, не ми трябва такава реалност!

  46. viki | 07.04.2012 | 46

    Tosh | 30.10.08 | 32
    Az mislq,che trqbva da se napravi opit da se butnat sgradite mejdu ploshtada i gradinkata.. predstavete kakvo prekrasno mqsto bi bilo tova togava.. 🙂
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